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	<title>Comments on: A house divided against itself cannot stand.</title>
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	<description>Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not his own facts.</description>
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		<title>By: Brett Bellmore</title>
		<link>http://www.samefacts.com/2009/11/watching-conservatives/a-house-divided-against-itself-cannot-stand/comment-page-1/#comment-34488</link>
		<dc:creator>Brett Bellmore</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 00:57:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey, democracy isn&#039;t the scientific method; It&#039;s not a mechanism for finding truth, it&#039;s a mechanism for making government responsive to public opinion. Bluntly, if 70% of the public thinks that the Sun orbited the Earth, and we persistently had elections where both major parties agreed that the Earth orbits the Sun, you&#039;ve got TWO problems, not a problem and a solution.

To be even blunter, if you think most political issues are as obvious cases of value free objective judgment as whether Ptolemy or Copernicus was right, you&#039;re nuttier than a fruitcake.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey, democracy isn&#8217;t the scientific method; It&#8217;s not a mechanism for finding truth, it&#8217;s a mechanism for making government responsive to public opinion. Bluntly, if 70% of the public thinks that the Sun orbited the Earth, and we persistently had elections where both major parties agreed that the Earth orbits the Sun, you&#8217;ve got TWO problems, not a problem and a solution.</p>
<p>To be even blunter, if you think most political issues are as obvious cases of value free objective judgment as whether Ptolemy or Copernicus was right, you&#8217;re nuttier than a fruitcake.</p>
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		<title>By: paul</title>
		<link>http://www.samefacts.com/2009/11/watching-conservatives/a-house-divided-against-itself-cannot-stand/comment-page-1/#comment-34484</link>
		<dc:creator>paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Nov 2009 19:00:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Harrah! Voters will be at last be able to choose between a flat-earth geocentric candidate and a round-earth heliocentric one.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Harrah! Voters will be at last be able to choose between a flat-earth geocentric candidate and a round-earth heliocentric one.</p>
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		<title>By: Brett Bellmore</title>
		<link>http://www.samefacts.com/2009/11/watching-conservatives/a-house-divided-against-itself-cannot-stand/comment-page-1/#comment-34473</link>
		<dc:creator>Brett Bellmore</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Nov 2009 23:37:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s preferable to the Democratic party lite, that they were transforming into; A healthy democracy requires at least two parties which &lt;i&gt;actually disagree about some things&lt;/i&gt;. It&#039;s especially unhealthy for democracy if the major parties decide to agree on things the public disagrees with. 

Hoffman may win, he may lose, but the voters will have a choice on issues Scozzafava and Owens agree about.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s preferable to the Democratic party lite, that they were transforming into; A healthy democracy requires at least two parties which <i>actually disagree about some things</i>. It&#8217;s especially unhealthy for democracy if the major parties decide to agree on things the public disagrees with. </p>
<p>Hoffman may win, he may lose, but the voters will have a choice on issues Scozzafava and Owens agree about.</p>
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		<title>By: David Wilford</title>
		<link>http://www.samefacts.com/2009/11/watching-conservatives/a-house-divided-against-itself-cannot-stand/comment-page-1/#comment-34468</link>
		<dc:creator>David Wilford</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Nov 2009 19:39:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It sure looks like the Republican Party is in the process of giving birth to the Fox News Party.  I don&#039;t doubt that it&#039;s painful.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It sure looks like the Republican Party is in the process of giving birth to the Fox News Party.  I don&#8217;t doubt that it&#8217;s painful.</p>
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		<title>By: Brett Bellmore</title>
		<link>http://www.samefacts.com/2009/11/watching-conservatives/a-house-divided-against-itself-cannot-stand/comment-page-1/#comment-34462</link>
		<dc:creator>Brett Bellmore</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Nov 2009 12:41:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;&quot;It will be fun to watch the Republicans who were praising her for her “strength” and for putting “principle above politics” yesterday scrambling to recover today.&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

It will be kind of entertaining to watch the Republican establishment, which anointed her, explain why this &quot;solid Republican&quot; endorsed the Democrat.

I&#039;ve has an unusual amount of trouble finding out where she really stands on the issues, but I&#039;m not sure why I should take assertions that she&#039;s a mainstream Republican seriously when they&#039;re mostly coming from Democrats.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>&#8220;It will be fun to watch the Republicans who were praising her for her “strength” and for putting “principle above politics” yesterday scrambling to recover today.&#8221;</i></p>
<p>It will be kind of entertaining to watch the Republican establishment, which anointed her, explain why this &#8220;solid Republican&#8221; endorsed the Democrat.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve has an unusual amount of trouble finding out where she really stands on the issues, but I&#8217;m not sure why I should take assertions that she&#8217;s a mainstream Republican seriously when they&#8217;re mostly coming from Democrats.</p>
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		<title>By: Thomas</title>
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		<dc:creator>Thomas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Nov 2009 03:06:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I confess I have no idea who will win on Tuesday, but if a conservative candidate replaces McHugh that means that the Republican party in Congress and the Congress itself have moved to the right.  If that&#039;s a victory for Obama, he&#039;s going to love next November.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I confess I have no idea who will win on Tuesday, but if a conservative candidate replaces McHugh that means that the Republican party in Congress and the Congress itself have moved to the right.  If that&#8217;s a victory for Obama, he&#8217;s going to love next November.</p>
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		<title>By: Henry</title>
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		<dc:creator>Henry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Nov 2009 01:27:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One should not label all Republicans as &quot;conservative.&quot;  I don&#039;t know much about Scozzafava&#039;s or Hoffman&#039;s politics, but perhaps she is a conservative and he is a right-wing radical.  The term &quot;conservative&quot; should be used for those who tend to favor conserving the status quo.  People like Palin, Limbaugh, Scalia, and Thomas do not like the status quo; they want to turn the clock back decades.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One should not label all Republicans as &#8220;conservative.&#8221;  I don&#8217;t know much about Scozzafava&#8217;s or Hoffman&#8217;s politics, but perhaps she is a conservative and he is a right-wing radical.  The term &#8220;conservative&#8221; should be used for those who tend to favor conserving the status quo.  People like Palin, Limbaugh, Scalia, and Thomas do not like the status quo; they want to turn the clock back decades.</p>
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		<title>By: Horseball</title>
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		<dc:creator>Horseball</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Nov 2009 01:17:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Warren - 

I have lived my entire life in New York State -- first Western New York, and now Manhattan, and I went to college in NY-23.  If either party, or indeed any member, of the New York State legislature has anything so high minded as a discernable ideology, either liberal or conservative, I&#039;d like to know about it.  Ideological votes never come up in the legislature, as the government is completely controlled  by the assembly speaker (always Democrat), the senate majority leader (until this year (and maybe once again), always Republican) and the governor.  Backbench legislators have no role in the system and never cast any votes of significance except for the majority leader of their chamber. So, I have no idea how a legislator can accumulate an ideologically meaningful voting record, and so I dismiss this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Warren &#8211; </p>
<p>I have lived my entire life in New York State &#8212; first Western New York, and now Manhattan, and I went to college in NY-23.  If either party, or indeed any member, of the New York State legislature has anything so high minded as a discernable ideology, either liberal or conservative, I&#8217;d like to know about it.  Ideological votes never come up in the legislature, as the government is completely controlled  by the assembly speaker (always Democrat), the senate majority leader (until this year (and maybe once again), always Republican) and the governor.  Backbench legislators have no role in the system and never cast any votes of significance except for the majority leader of their chamber. So, I have no idea how a legislator can accumulate an ideologically meaningful voting record, and so I dismiss this.</p>
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		<title>By: Warren Terra</title>
		<link>http://www.samefacts.com/2009/11/watching-conservatives/a-house-divided-against-itself-cannot-stand/comment-page-1/#comment-34454</link>
		<dc:creator>Warren Terra</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Nov 2009 01:04:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And her endorsing the Democrat hardly proves she&#039;s a liberal: it&#039;s not a generic ballot. Maybe she thinks Hoffman, despite shared ideology, would be awful in congress - or maybe she simply hates him.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And her endorsing the Democrat hardly proves she&#8217;s a liberal: it&#8217;s not a generic ballot. Maybe she thinks Hoffman, despite shared ideology, would be awful in congress &#8211; or maybe she simply hates him.</p>
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		<title>By: Warren Terra</title>
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		<dc:creator>Warren Terra</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Nov 2009 00:56:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Horseball, Scozzafava apparently has a voting record as a state legislator that places her right of the state GOP&#039;s center, so she&#039;s a conservative at least by local standards, if not by national ones</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Horseball, Scozzafava apparently has a voting record as a state legislator that places her right of the state GOP&#8217;s center, so she&#8217;s a conservative at least by local standards, if not by national ones</p>
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		<title>By: Horseball</title>
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		<dc:creator>Horseball</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Nov 2009 23:54:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One would think that the Scozzofava&#039;s endorsement demonstrates the opposite phenomenon -- that of a liberal Republican trying to oust a conservative.  How is Scozzofava &quot;basically conservative&quot; - she just endorsed the Democrat!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One would think that the Scozzofava&#8217;s endorsement demonstrates the opposite phenomenon &#8212; that of a liberal Republican trying to oust a conservative.  How is Scozzofava &#8220;basically conservative&#8221; &#8211; she just endorsed the Democrat!</p>
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		<title>By: Warren Terra</title>
		<link>http://www.samefacts.com/2009/11/watching-conservatives/a-house-divided-against-itself-cannot-stand/comment-page-1/#comment-34445</link>
		<dc:creator>Warren Terra</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Nov 2009 23:38:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That erroneous assumption by an NPR headline writer in Hoffman&#039;s favor was ironic: Hoffman apparently hates NPR, such that he refused to turn up to a debate last week hosted by the local NPR station.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That erroneous assumption by an NPR headline writer in Hoffman&#8217;s favor was ironic: Hoffman apparently hates NPR, such that he refused to turn up to a debate last week hosted by the local NPR station.</p>
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		<title>By: Warren Terra</title>
		<link>http://www.samefacts.com/2009/11/watching-conservatives/a-house-divided-against-itself-cannot-stand/comment-page-1/#comment-34444</link>
		<dc:creator>Warren Terra</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Nov 2009 23:34:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Frustratingly, there have been claims that the departed Republican had endorsed Hoffman, for example in the headlines on NPR yesterday just before the longer story said she hadn&#039;t endorsed anyone yet.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Frustratingly, there have been claims that the departed Republican had endorsed Hoffman, for example in the headlines on NPR yesterday just before the longer story said she hadn&#8217;t endorsed anyone yet.</p>
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		<title>By: Elliott</title>
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		<dc:creator>Elliott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Nov 2009 23:00:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The link to the endorsemenet story is broken.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The link to the endorsemenet story is broken.</p>
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		<title>By: K</title>
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		<dc:creator>K</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Nov 2009 21:58:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As always w/ these people, there&#039;s a trade-off: It&#039;s good that they do things that reduce their chances of winning, but bad that they do them in ways that increase the amount of hell they&#039;ll wreak if they do win.  I&#039;m old enough to remember entertaining hopes for a Reagan nomination, since he was obviously too bizarre to ever become President.  Can you say &quot;President Palin&quot;?  I knew that you could.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As always w/ these people, there&#8217;s a trade-off: It&#8217;s good that they do things that reduce their chances of winning, but bad that they do them in ways that increase the amount of hell they&#8217;ll wreak if they do win.  I&#8217;m old enough to remember entertaining hopes for a Reagan nomination, since he was obviously too bizarre to ever become President.  Can you say &#8220;President Palin&#8221;?  I knew that you could.</p>
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