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		<title>By: beckya57</title>
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		<dc:creator>beckya57</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Nov 2009 21:18:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m a rabid baseball fan who can talk most of the men I know under the table on that subject.  I also like football, but I feel guilty about it because as a psychologist I know how bad football is for the players&#039; brains.  Boxing, of course is if anything worse, and I don&#039;t like it at all and wish the Olympics would ban it.  Of course, I&#039;m weird; I also read blogs religiously, which we know is statistically unusual for women (about 20% of blog readers are women) and follow politics closely.  Nancy Pelosi is my idol.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m a rabid baseball fan who can talk most of the men I know under the table on that subject.  I also like football, but I feel guilty about it because as a psychologist I know how bad football is for the players&#8217; brains.  Boxing, of course is if anything worse, and I don&#8217;t like it at all and wish the Olympics would ban it.  Of course, I&#8217;m weird; I also read blogs religiously, which we know is statistically unusual for women (about 20% of blog readers are women) and follow politics closely.  Nancy Pelosi is my idol.</p>
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		<title>By: John G</title>
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		<dc:creator>John G</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Nov 2009 23:07:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Some women are keenly competitive, as Mike notes. The Canadian Women&#039;s Ski Jumping Team just took the organizers of the Vancouver Winter Olympic Games to court because the games don&#039;t have a women&#039;s event. The US Team supported the Canadians in this. The appeal court decision earlier this week (or end of last) confirmed the lower court in throwing out the case. Reason: what qualifies for the games is decided by the Olympic association, not the Canadian organizers, and that association is not within the jurisdiction of the court.  The argument by the women was that the Canadian organizers could not practice discrimination here because some international body told them to.

The Olympic association says it does not have women&#039;s ski jumping because there are not enough competitors in the world to make it worth while.  Of course a lot of countries don&#039;t even have winter...

A lot of women are very competitive in tennis.  Why is that different? less violent? just plain more fun?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some women are keenly competitive, as Mike notes. The Canadian Women&#8217;s Ski Jumping Team just took the organizers of the Vancouver Winter Olympic Games to court because the games don&#8217;t have a women&#8217;s event. The US Team supported the Canadians in this. The appeal court decision earlier this week (or end of last) confirmed the lower court in throwing out the case. Reason: what qualifies for the games is decided by the Olympic association, not the Canadian organizers, and that association is not within the jurisdiction of the court.  The argument by the women was that the Canadian organizers could not practice discrimination here because some international body told them to.</p>
<p>The Olympic association says it does not have women&#8217;s ski jumping because there are not enough competitors in the world to make it worth while.  Of course a lot of countries don&#8217;t even have winter&#8230;</p>
<p>A lot of women are very competitive in tennis.  Why is that different? less violent? just plain more fun?</p>
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		<title>By: Levi</title>
		<link>http://www.samefacts.com/2009/11/feminism/women-and-sports/comment-page-1/#comment-34907</link>
		<dc:creator>Levi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Nov 2009 18:53:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hmm, the original review paper was Croson, R. &amp; Gneezy, U. (2009) Gender differences in preferences. Journal of Economic Literature, 47, 448-474.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hmm, the original review paper was Croson, R. &amp; Gneezy, U. (2009) Gender differences in preferences. Journal of Economic Literature, 47, 448-474.</p>
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		<title>By: J</title>
		<link>http://www.samefacts.com/2009/11/feminism/women-and-sports/comment-page-1/#comment-34904</link>
		<dc:creator>J</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Nov 2009 17:52:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Levi, that&#039;s interesting.  So, Gneezy, Niederle, and Rustichini not only recursively cite their 2003 paper IN the 2003 paper itself (?), but they also manage to cite an unpublished 2009 study in the 2003 paper?  That&#039;s impressive.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Levi, that&#8217;s interesting.  So, Gneezy, Niederle, and Rustichini not only recursively cite their 2003 paper IN the 2003 paper itself (?), but they also manage to cite an unpublished 2009 study in the 2003 paper?  That&#8217;s impressive.</p>
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		<title>By: Levi</title>
		<link>http://www.samefacts.com/2009/11/feminism/women-and-sports/comment-page-1/#comment-34903</link>
		<dc:creator>Levi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Nov 2009 17:20:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;b&gt;Charles&lt;/b&gt;: As a game designer I can tell you that I have never in my life in observed the “common wisdom” that women are less competitive than men. In fact, I have more often met women who avoid games because they are too competitive and think that they get too emotional about winning and losing.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Gneezy, U., Niederle, M., &amp; Rustichini, A. (2003). Performance in competitive environments: Gender differences. Quarterly Journal of Economics, 118, 1049-1074, reviews two studies where women&#039;s scores on some task do not change between competitive and non-competitive conditions, whereas men&#039;s scores increase. One of the studies, (Gneezy, Niederle, and Rustichini (2003). Performance in Competitive Environments: Gender Differences. Quarterly Journal of Economics, 118(3): 1049–74.), found that women did react negatively to being placed in mixed-sex competitions, which may indicate the activation of a stereotype threat. They also cite a study (Chen, Yan, Peter Katuscak, and Emre Ozdenoren. 2009. “Why Can’t a Woman Bid More Like a Man?” Unpublished.) that claims women&#039;s competitiveness varies in response to their menstrual cycle, but I cannot vouch for an unpublished study, though it does match the findings out from evolutionary psychologists relating to mate preference variation based on the menstrual cycle.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p><b>Charles</b>: As a game designer I can tell you that I have never in my life in observed the “common wisdom” that women are less competitive than men. In fact, I have more often met women who avoid games because they are too competitive and think that they get too emotional about winning and losing.</p></blockquote>
<p>Gneezy, U., Niederle, M., &amp; Rustichini, A. (2003). Performance in competitive environments: Gender differences. Quarterly Journal of Economics, 118, 1049-1074, reviews two studies where women&#8217;s scores on some task do not change between competitive and non-competitive conditions, whereas men&#8217;s scores increase. One of the studies, (Gneezy, Niederle, and Rustichini (2003). Performance in Competitive Environments: Gender Differences. Quarterly Journal of Economics, 118(3): 1049–74.), found that women did react negatively to being placed in mixed-sex competitions, which may indicate the activation of a stereotype threat. They also cite a study (Chen, Yan, Peter Katuscak, and Emre Ozdenoren. 2009. “Why Can’t a Woman Bid More Like a Man?” Unpublished.) that claims women&#8217;s competitiveness varies in response to their menstrual cycle, but I cannot vouch for an unpublished study, though it does match the findings out from evolutionary psychologists relating to mate preference variation based on the menstrual cycle.</p>
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		<title>By: Betsy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Betsy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Nov 2009 14:04:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Or post comments on blogs, apparently.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Or post comments on blogs, apparently.</p>
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		<title>By: Ivan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ivan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Nov 2009 04:55:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>also, here&#039;s some data about head injuries
http://www.neurosurgerytoday.org/what/patient_e/sports.asp</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>also, here&#8217;s some data about head injuries<br />
<a href="http://www.neurosurgerytoday.org/what/patient_e/sports.asp" rel="nofollow">http://www.neurosurgerytoday.org/what/patient_e/sports.asp</a></p>
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		<title>By: Ken D.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ken D.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Nov 2009 04:52:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have watched just enough MMA to know the basic drill.  First they try to kick each other in the head.  The they roll on the mat and try to smash each other in the face with their elbows.  Eventually one gets a chokehold and forces the other to submit.  These competitors are technically known as &quot;sportsmen&quot;.  A great improvement over boxing indeed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have watched just enough MMA to know the basic drill.  First they try to kick each other in the head.  The they roll on the mat and try to smash each other in the face with their elbows.  Eventually one gets a chokehold and forces the other to submit.  These competitors are technically known as &#8220;sportsmen&#8221;.  A great improvement over boxing indeed.</p>
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		<title>By: Ivan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ivan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Nov 2009 04:49:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ok, Maynard, we get it - you are superior to poker players, women, and whoever else is not Maynard, LDO...


Michael, if you start making distinctions about what the intrinsic aim of the game is, then boxing is not about bashing the other guy in the head for an hour while taking similar damage yourself either, the same way that American football is not about a bunch of really heavy guys smashing into each other as hard as they can... Am.football is just as violent in the realistic definition, where you have a game target and you are allowed a controlled amount of violence against the opposition. In fact, if the same level of head and body protection were available in boxing, it is likely that the chance of brain damage (as well as KOs, of course) in boxing would go significantly below AmF. 
Don&#039;t get me wrong - I am pretty clear that boxing within the current rule framework and against a reasonably equally skilled opponent quickly degenerates into a grueling bashing contest. Although neurologically speaking we must have by now some data where at least some answers about boxing and brain damage can be asked - for example, whether number of matches, average number of rounds, or knockouts/damage sustained can be a better explanatory variable.

Anyway, back to the gender discrepancy. I think Charles&#039; point can explain away a great deal of the difference. It also points to the selection bias in your observation that most women that you know don&#039;t care about boxing, football, poker etc - rephrase that to &#039;most women you know don&#039;t care to tell you whether they care about boxing, football, poker, etc&#039;, and you have a valid observation, though much less of a point.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ok, Maynard, we get it &#8211; you are superior to poker players, women, and whoever else is not Maynard, LDO&#8230;</p>
<p>Michael, if you start making distinctions about what the intrinsic aim of the game is, then boxing is not about bashing the other guy in the head for an hour while taking similar damage yourself either, the same way that American football is not about a bunch of really heavy guys smashing into each other as hard as they can&#8230; Am.football is just as violent in the realistic definition, where you have a game target and you are allowed a controlled amount of violence against the opposition. In fact, if the same level of head and body protection were available in boxing, it is likely that the chance of brain damage (as well as KOs, of course) in boxing would go significantly below AmF.<br />
Don&#8217;t get me wrong &#8211; I am pretty clear that boxing within the current rule framework and against a reasonably equally skilled opponent quickly degenerates into a grueling bashing contest. Although neurologically speaking we must have by now some data where at least some answers about boxing and brain damage can be asked &#8211; for example, whether number of matches, average number of rounds, or knockouts/damage sustained can be a better explanatory variable.</p>
<p>Anyway, back to the gender discrepancy. I think Charles&#8217; point can explain away a great deal of the difference. It also points to the selection bias in your observation that most women that you know don&#8217;t care about boxing, football, poker etc &#8211; rephrase that to &#8216;most women you know don&#8217;t care to tell you whether they care about boxing, football, poker, etc&#8217;, and you have a valid observation, though much less of a point.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Nov 2009 01:43:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Try watching mixed martial arts some time.  It involves much more variety than boxing, which makes it more interesting to watch and also ensures that nobody spends 12 rounds being repeatedly hit in the head (although blows to the head are certainly part of the sport).

It&#039;s a newish sport, and I guess time will tell, but so far it doesn&#039;t seem like the older guys who have had long careers (e.g., Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira, Mark Coleman, Chuck Liddell, Randy Couture), are ending up like Muhammad Ali.

Obviously this comment doesn&#039;t say anything about the gender angle (though I&#039;ll note in passing that women&#039;s MMA is growing) or say anything about whether it&#039;s morally OK to be entertained by any sport that involves people doing some kind of violence to each other (though I am basically a bleeding-heart liberal and enjoy MMA).  But insofar as disgust about boxing (or American football) is predicated on the brain damage it tends to inflict, it does seem quite possible at the moment that MMA is a more exciting and less injurious alternative.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Try watching mixed martial arts some time.  It involves much more variety than boxing, which makes it more interesting to watch and also ensures that nobody spends 12 rounds being repeatedly hit in the head (although blows to the head are certainly part of the sport).</p>
<p>It&#8217;s a newish sport, and I guess time will tell, but so far it doesn&#8217;t seem like the older guys who have had long careers (e.g., Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira, Mark Coleman, Chuck Liddell, Randy Couture), are ending up like Muhammad Ali.</p>
<p>Obviously this comment doesn&#8217;t say anything about the gender angle (though I&#8217;ll note in passing that women&#8217;s MMA is growing) or say anything about whether it&#8217;s morally OK to be entertained by any sport that involves people doing some kind of violence to each other (though I am basically a bleeding-heart liberal and enjoy MMA).  But insofar as disgust about boxing (or American football) is predicated on the brain damage it tends to inflict, it does seem quite possible at the moment that MMA is a more exciting and less injurious alternative.</p>
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		<title>By: gelfling545</title>
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		<dc:creator>gelfling545</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Nov 2009 21:55:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In my area of Western NY there are numerous (significantly numerous) female hockey and (at least before this season) football fans - not me but the majority of my family, acquaintances, etc. This includes my daughters and how that happened I&#039;ll never know.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In my area of Western NY there are numerous (significantly numerous) female hockey and (at least before this season) football fans &#8211; not me but the majority of my family, acquaintances, etc. This includes my daughters and how that happened I&#8217;ll never know.</p>
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		<title>By: Maynard Handley</title>
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		<dc:creator>Maynard Handley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Nov 2009 20:15:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;why so few women enjoying this priceless, harmless, absorbing, congenial diversion?&quot;

Because it&#039;s boring as all hell? Yeah, life is random; skill can overcome some bad luck but has its limits; it&#039;s a metaphor, we get it. 
There is a reason every TV show about Las Vegas that focuses on the gambling and casinos gets cancelled after three episodes --- normal people don&#039;t give a damn.

Women have plenty of faults, and plenty of other stupid ways to waste time, but I have to score this in their credit column, rather than the debit column.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;why so few women enjoying this priceless, harmless, absorbing, congenial diversion?&#8221;</p>
<p>Because it&#8217;s boring as all hell? Yeah, life is random; skill can overcome some bad luck but has its limits; it&#8217;s a metaphor, we get it.<br />
There is a reason every TV show about Las Vegas that focuses on the gambling and casinos gets cancelled after three episodes &#8212; normal people don&#8217;t give a damn.</p>
<p>Women have plenty of faults, and plenty of other stupid ways to waste time, but I have to score this in their credit column, rather than the debit column.</p>
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		<title>By: Betsy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Betsy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Nov 2009 19:48:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In general, women don&#039;t have enough free time to sit around and play poker, or watch sports.</description>
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		<title>By: Michael O'Hare</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael O'Hare</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Nov 2009 19:08:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t think football is intrinsically violent in the way boxing is.  The point of football is to stop someone from passing across a piece of field, not to hurt him; the main injury risk (repeated concussion damage) is incidental to the core of the game (though the way the pro and college games are managed, given this risk, is sufficiently disrespectful of the players to spoil it for me as an amusement). Playing football with the intention of incapacitating opposing players is bad sportsmanship and against the rules. In the abstract, chess is more violent: the point is to &quot;kill&quot; members of the opponents army and ultimately the king. But the point of boxing is to bash someone&#039;s head enough so he has to leave the field of play, often unconscious. If no-one died in the ring I would still find it inhumane.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t think football is intrinsically violent in the way boxing is.  The point of football is to stop someone from passing across a piece of field, not to hurt him; the main injury risk (repeated concussion damage) is incidental to the core of the game (though the way the pro and college games are managed, given this risk, is sufficiently disrespectful of the players to spoil it for me as an amusement). Playing football with the intention of incapacitating opposing players is bad sportsmanship and against the rules. In the abstract, chess is more violent: the point is to &#8220;kill&#8221; members of the opponents army and ultimately the king. But the point of boxing is to bash someone&#8217;s head enough so he has to leave the field of play, often unconscious. If no-one died in the ring I would still find it inhumane.</p>
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		<title>By: Ken D.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ken D.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Nov 2009 18:53:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One sports fan&#039;s personal thoughts, FWIW.  I watch a fair amount of football, despite some qualms about the violence of it at times.  Boxing, not nearly so much, although the difference is of degree rather than kind.  I trace much of the difference for me to a specific fight -- Ray Mancini and Duk Koo Kim in 1982.  I saw it live on TV; for a boxing fan it was a great fight between two skilled and game competitors.  The next day one was dead.  I rarely see a boxing match, even just flipping channels, without thinking of that.  See also the book &quot;Lords of the Ring&quot; by Doug Moe, a short history of college boxing which flourished from the 30&#039;s to the 50&#039;s and faded out largely because of a death in a national championship fight.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One sports fan&#8217;s personal thoughts, FWIW.  I watch a fair amount of football, despite some qualms about the violence of it at times.  Boxing, not nearly so much, although the difference is of degree rather than kind.  I trace much of the difference for me to a specific fight &#8212; Ray Mancini and Duk Koo Kim in 1982.  I saw it live on TV; for a boxing fan it was a great fight between two skilled and game competitors.  The next day one was dead.  I rarely see a boxing match, even just flipping channels, without thinking of that.  See also the book &#8220;Lords of the Ring&#8221; by Doug Moe, a short history of college boxing which flourished from the 30&#8242;s to the 50&#8242;s and faded out largely because of a death in a national championship fight.</p>
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		<title>By: Dennis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dennis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Nov 2009 17:03:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Joel, if boxing is in fact the &#039;sweet science&#039; rather than merely a potential bloodbath, please explain to me why fencing is a niche sport.  It&#039;s a combat sport that has changed its rules in a way that really protects participants.  Fencing has everything boxing has except the high potential for serious injury.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Joel, if boxing is in fact the &#8216;sweet science&#8217; rather than merely a potential bloodbath, please explain to me why fencing is a niche sport.  It&#8217;s a combat sport that has changed its rules in a way that really protects participants.  Fencing has everything boxing has except the high potential for serious injury.</p>
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		<title>By: Charles</title>
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		<dc:creator>Charles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Nov 2009 15:03:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a game designer I can tell you that I have never in my life in observed the &quot;common wisdom&quot; that women are less competitive than men. In fact, I have more often met women who avoid games because they are too competitive and think that they get too emotional about winning and losing. 

It may be true that there are some games that simply aren&#039;t attractive to women on some basic level, but it is equally true that we live in a society that does not value women&#039;s participation in games as highly as it values the participation of men. It should be obvious that the fact that boys are pushed towards sports at a very early age has something to do with the popularity of those sports among men. 

In my mind the answer to your question is that we have a societal aversion to public displays of competition by women, and that&#039;s going to carry across all games from Poker to Football to Chess. Men are encouraged to be competitive from a very early age while women are either not encourage or actively discouraged. It seems as simple as that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a game designer I can tell you that I have never in my life in observed the &#8220;common wisdom&#8221; that women are less competitive than men. In fact, I have more often met women who avoid games because they are too competitive and think that they get too emotional about winning and losing. </p>
<p>It may be true that there are some games that simply aren&#8217;t attractive to women on some basic level, but it is equally true that we live in a society that does not value women&#8217;s participation in games as highly as it values the participation of men. It should be obvious that the fact that boys are pushed towards sports at a very early age has something to do with the popularity of those sports among men. </p>
<p>In my mind the answer to your question is that we have a societal aversion to public displays of competition by women, and that&#8217;s going to carry across all games from Poker to Football to Chess. Men are encouraged to be competitive from a very early age while women are either not encourage or actively discouraged. It seems as simple as that.</p>
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		<title>By: Joel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Nov 2009 14:48:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The fight was a big deal because Manny Pacquiao has now won world titles in FIVE different weight classes ranging from 112 lbs to 145.  No one has ever done that before.  Filipinos are justifiably proud of their guy.

I will readily concede that boxing isn&#039;t everybody&#039;s cup of tea, but those who dismiss the sweet science as mere brutality are philistines.  Not even Don King can ruin this sport.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The fight was a big deal because Manny Pacquiao has now won world titles in FIVE different weight classes ranging from 112 lbs to 145.  No one has ever done that before.  Filipinos are justifiably proud of their guy.</p>
<p>I will readily concede that boxing isn&#8217;t everybody&#8217;s cup of tea, but those who dismiss the sweet science as mere brutality are philistines.  Not even Don King can ruin this sport.</p>
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		<title>By: JB</title>
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		<dc:creator>JB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Nov 2009 13:36:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s simple.  The more the sport (or other game) depends on pure competition, the more heavily-weighted its fan base will be towards men.  The more it&#039;s about skill (and the more visible the skill is to observers), the more equally-divided the fan base becomes.  Add music and you really have my attention.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s simple.  The more the sport (or other game) depends on pure competition, the more heavily-weighted its fan base will be towards men.  The more it&#8217;s about skill (and the more visible the skill is to observers), the more equally-divided the fan base becomes.  Add music and you really have my attention.</p>
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		<title>By: JMG</title>
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		<dc:creator>JMG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Nov 2009 08:27:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a chess player who could care less about all the sports you like, the relative dearth of women at the chess board is the more interesting question, as chess takes away all physical inequality problems and doesn&#039;t have the differential bias that luck introduces in poker (men are apparently wired to accept more risk).  Chess is a game of perfect information, where women would seem to have at least parity with men.  Not so far.  What&#039;s up with that?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a chess player who could care less about all the sports you like, the relative dearth of women at the chess board is the more interesting question, as chess takes away all physical inequality problems and doesn&#8217;t have the differential bias that luck introduces in poker (men are apparently wired to accept more risk).  Chess is a game of perfect information, where women would seem to have at least parity with men.  Not so far.  What&#8217;s up with that?</p>
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