Comments on: PwC report: The Baucus bill will raise costs, if you ignore the ways it will lower costs http://www.samefacts.com/2009/10/lying-in-politics/pwc-report-the-baucus-bill-will-raise-costs-if-you-ignore-the-ways-it-will-lower-costs/ Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not his own facts. Fri, 10 Feb 2012 09:54:58 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: James Wimberley http://www.samefacts.com/2009/10/lying-in-politics/pwc-report-the-baucus-bill-will-raise-costs-if-you-ignore-the-ways-it-will-lower-costs/comment-page-1/#comment-33927 James Wimberley Thu, 15 Oct 2009 14:33:16 +0000 http://www.samefacts.com/?p=9015#comment-33927 PwC are setting themselves up for a scam by someone like Sasha Baron Cohen hiring them to show the advantages of Swift's "Modest Proposal" or the like. With apologies to Greeks, Macaulay pinned the type: "Such varlets pimp and jest for hire among the lying Greeks" (Virginia). PwC are setting themselves up for a scam by someone like Sasha Baron Cohen hiring them to show the advantages of Swift’s “Modest Proposal” or the like.

With apologies to Greeks, Macaulay pinned the type: “Such varlets pimp and jest for hire among the lying Greeks” (Virginia).

]]> By: Barry http://www.samefacts.com/2009/10/lying-in-politics/pwc-report-the-baucus-bill-will-raise-costs-if-you-ignore-the-ways-it-will-lower-costs/comment-page-1/#comment-33908 Barry Wed, 14 Oct 2009 18:02:04 +0000 http://www.samefacts.com/?p=9015#comment-33908 "What I am sure of is that the Republican politicians pretending to be impressed with the report (e.g., Mitch McConnell) are either liars themselves or enjoy being lied to. And that the Washington Post has egg all over its face for running the story on the front page, which is generally reserved for news. The fact that a lobby ordered up garbage analysis and found a consulting firm willing to provide it is not news." No, the WaPoo did what it is supposed to do; carry water for the elites. In this case, it was the insurance companies. Possibly with side orders of 'If the Democrats want it, oppose it!' and 'good government is dangerous [to the elites]'. When somebody who's not a fool does the same thing, day in and day out, and gets paid for it, perhaps they're doing it deliberately. "I’m not sure whether I should be more impressed with PwC’s willingness to cop to its bogus methodology or appalled that it was willing to put out such tissue of nonsense in the first place." I'm too lazy to look this up, but PwC did a similar thing to argue against raising taxes on tobacco back in the early/mid-90's. It wasn't a failure of PWC's ethics, but a minor screw-up in getting caught. If there's anything which Enron taught us, it's that 'ethics' in the major accounting firms means only collecting fees large enough to offset any negatives. “What I am sure of is that the Republican politicians pretending to be impressed with the report (e.g., Mitch McConnell) are either liars themselves or enjoy being lied to. And that the Washington Post has egg all over its face for running the story on the front page, which is generally reserved for news. The fact that a lobby ordered up garbage analysis and found a consulting firm willing to provide it is not news.”

No, the WaPoo did what it is supposed to do; carry water for the elites. In this case, it was the insurance companies. Possibly with side orders of ‘If the Democrats want it, oppose it!’ and ‘good government is dangerous [to the elites]‘. When somebody who’s not a fool does the same thing, day in and day out, and gets paid for it, perhaps they’re doing it deliberately.

“I’m not sure whether I should be more impressed with PwC’s willingness to cop to its bogus methodology or appalled that it was willing to put out such tissue of nonsense in the first place.”

I’m too lazy to look this up, but PwC did a similar thing to argue against raising taxes on tobacco back in the early/mid-90′s.

It wasn’t a failure of PWC’s ethics, but a minor screw-up in getting caught. If there’s anything which Enron taught us, it’s that ‘ethics’ in the major accounting firms means only collecting fees large enough to offset any negatives.

]]> By: Thomas http://www.samefacts.com/2009/10/lying-in-politics/pwc-report-the-baucus-bill-will-raise-costs-if-you-ignore-the-ways-it-will-lower-costs/comment-page-1/#comment-33895 Thomas Wed, 14 Oct 2009 12:23:10 +0000 http://www.samefacts.com/?p=9015#comment-33895 I guess I'd note that this isn't a retraction, and that, contrary to what Mark suggests, these provisions were supposed to lower costs, not increase them, so even an analysis limited to these points suggests that the "reforms" aren't going to accomplish what their proponents say. I guess I’d note that this isn’t a retraction, and that, contrary to what Mark suggests, these provisions were supposed to lower costs, not increase them, so even an analysis limited to these points suggests that the “reforms” aren’t going to accomplish what their proponents say.

]]> By: Brian Schmidt http://www.samefacts.com/2009/10/lying-in-politics/pwc-report-the-baucus-bill-will-raise-costs-if-you-ignore-the-ways-it-will-lower-costs/comment-page-1/#comment-33892 Brian Schmidt Wed, 14 Oct 2009 05:21:08 +0000 http://www.samefacts.com/?p=9015#comment-33892 Sounds just like the Republican analysis of Obama's original cap and trade proposal, focusing only on the cost of allowances while ignoring the tax cuts that it was intended to fund. Sounds just like the Republican analysis of Obama’s original cap and trade proposal, focusing only on the cost of allowances while ignoring the tax cuts that it was intended to fund.

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