Comments on: The Jefferson problem

By: Andrew

Andrew — Wed, 13 Dec 2006 14:02:15 +0000

Isn’t the entire point of the Fifth Amendment that you can’t draw an inference from someone’s invocation of it? If you could, the protections it offers would cease to exist, as invoking the Fifth Amendment would itself constitute self-incrimination.

By: rilkefan

rilkefan — Tue, 12 Dec 2006 22:50:35 +0000

“She should allow them to propose amendments”
She has said she will.

By: rilkefan

rilkefan — Tue, 12 Dec 2006 22:44:44 +0000

Bruce, I think Greenwald’s pretty confused about the quality of the evidence and logic he’s using to make that charge – you might want to reconsider imagining it was Dean in question.

By: Bargain Countertenor

Bargain Countertenor — Tue, 12 Dec 2006 14:37:38 +0000

Laertes,
Most ethical systems have an equivalent of the golden rule in them somewhere: treat others as you would like to be treated.
Now, perhaps we can interpret the 1994-2006 Republican Majority’s rules as being the way they want to be treated, and that’s one thing. But the rule is to treat them as we’d like to be treated, and that’s something different entirely.
Provided that Pelosi can maintain intra-party discipline (and I know that’s a big if) she and Hoyer and the committee chairs should treat the Republicans better than they treated us. She should allow them to propose amendments, and then stuff any that don’t further the progressive agenda right back in their faces. She (and the committee chairs) should hear legislation with R sponsors, then kill it in committee. Allow them the forms, but no substance whatsoever.
An idiot once said, “Elections have consequences.” This just proves the Texas adage that even a blind pig can find an acorn. But we should be polite about it.
BC

By: Bruce Moomaw

Bruce Moomaw — Tue, 12 Dec 2006 07:11:45 +0000

I HOPE they're crooks and we're not. We had better also consider the behavior of Rahm Emanuel in connection with the Foley scandal, as noted by Glenn Greenwald ( http://glenngreenwald.blogspot.com/2006/12/did-rahm-emanuel-lie-about-his.html ). The best course of action for the Dems right now might be to re-open that investigation and throw out everyone who helped cover up Foley's conduct until October 2006, including Hastert and Tom Reynolds as well as Emanuel. Instead, however, the House Dems seem to be cranking up to make Emanuel their official spokesman ( http://politicalwire.com/archives/2006/12/11/emanuel_may_handle_party_message.html ). Brilliant!

By: Laertes

Laertes — Tue, 12 Dec 2006 02:44:30 +0000

Democrats should be no better than Republicans in some ways. Specifically, they shouldn’t treat the other party’s minority any differently than they were treated as the minority. The Republicans have made some ugly ugly rules and life is hell for the minority party, and they’re about to get a richly deserved taste of it.
Democrats should strive to be an awful lot better than Republicans about ethics, though. Jefferson is a crook, and should receive any savage public humiliation that’s within the power of the Democratic caucus to visit upon him.
They play hard, we play hard.
They’re crooks. We’re not.
There’s a difference.

By: Bargain Countertenor

Bargain Countertenor — Mon, 11 Dec 2006 14:50:18 +0000

Ken,
Delay resigned from the House last summer. Neither Ralph Reed nor Grover Norquist hold any position of public trust that I’m aware of. Doolittle narrowly won re-election in CA-04, and yeah, he should be called before the ethics committee and asked some rather pointed questions, then kicked out along with Jefferson.
One point about Jefferson: I think the Democrats should kick Jefferson out of the Democratic Caucus before he faces the ethics committee.
BC

By: Chris O.

Chris O. — Mon, 11 Dec 2006 03:58:45 +0000

Ken, you do realize your argument basically boils down to “we should be no better than the Republicans”, right?

By: Ken

Ken — Mon, 11 Dec 2006 03:51:59 +0000

Meanwhile Ralph Reed, Grover Norquist, Tom Delay, Doolittle and others and walking free with no public demands for thier resignations etc.
This reminds me how the media spent months on Gary Condit’s supposed guilt even whjile there was no body and ignored a dead women found in Scarboroughs office on a Monday after a surprise resignation the Friday before.
Jefferson is probably guilty but Doolittle’s misdeeds as well as the others mentioned have been known for a far longer time. So please no false sacrimony of why a corrupt lawmaker is walking free while others who were involved in laundering millions are given the benefit of doubt and accorded the dignity of thier office.

By: Joel W

Joel W — Sun, 10 Dec 2006 23:29:58 +0000

It would be interesting to see the Democrats vote to impeach him and see if Republicans would vote against it (on principle?) or because they thought it would be politically advantageous to have a corrupt Democrat in the congress.
Quite a disappointing result yesterday though.

By: Grumpy

Grumpy — Sun, 10 Dec 2006 22:34:11 +0000

It’s amazing that Jefferson hasn’t yet been charged with anything. They have videotape of him asking for a bribe; they found the cash in his freezer. What’s the grand jury waiting for?
By comparison, an Alaska state representative was indicted, arrested, and jailed last week for bribery and money laundering. The FBI knows how to act quickly when it wants to.

By: Bruce Moomaw

Bruce Moomaw — Sun, 10 Dec 2006 16:11:26 +0000

Of course, the Founders’ “intention that the House and Senate police their own” was based — like so many other aspects of the Constitution — on their fond belief that political parties should and would be kept from coming into existence at all. It would, I think, be a good idea that Congress at least try to set up some semi-independent board to appraise its members’ conduct — an idea approved of not only by Lieberman and Olympia Snowe, but by Marty Meehan.