Comments on: When Gordon moves next door

By: growththinker

growththinker — Mon, 11 Sep 2006 15:02:19 +0000

Valuethinker – actually our postal codes now have 9 digits (called zip+4), which give pretty much the same granularity you mention. Only 5 seem to be required, but increasingly all 9 are seen.

By: Valuethinker

Valuethinker — Mon, 11 Sep 2006 08:44:00 +0000

JR
This is called ‘first mover disadvantage’. When we invented things like postal addresses, there were no standards so we did what seemed natural at the time. Our railway system betrays the same confusion v. say the centrally planned French and Prussian ones.
Our phone numbering system is similarly irrational. And our streets are anything but straight and grid like.
However a couple of points:
- you’ve fallen into the American trap of expecting everything to be logical and rational in other countries. But then you risk not seeing what in your own society is tacit, but not necessarily rational or logical (eg you can’t run doubledecker buses, because of the way you string wires and build overpasses– we can, doubling our use of urban roadspace and providing an iconic symbol of London for evermore, to untold benefit to the tourism industry).
The US rail policy is hardly rational– more cars, and less of anything that would help reduce congestion. No one would accuse a California highway interchange of being visually helpful or unconfusing.
- our postal codes make sense, yours don’t. Ours pretty clearly directly, and mnemonically link to a physical area. Saying you ‘live in W1′ instantly says something, in a way a US postal code does not
Ours are alphanumeric, so the number of possible combinations is vastly greater than your 5 digits one (yet to meet an American who gives me his 9 digit postal code, and the ’7 plus/minus 2′ rule of telephone number recall says that no one will remember it). For this reason the Canadians used an alphanumeric system (there are 26 letters, but only 10 digits).
And your postal codes are only 5 digits, which is far too little granularity. Ours take us down to the side of a city block.
-the bottom line is not that England is good, America is bad, but that both countries exhibit ‘path dependence’ just like the QWERTY keyboard. Where you start has a big impact on where you finish up.
This is not necessarily a bad thing. If cities were designed from scratch, all cities might look like Brasilia and Canberra, rather than like London, Boston, Montreal and New York. Honestly, which would you rather visit and live in?

By: beowulf

beowulf — Sat, 09 Sep 2006 23:09:42 +0000

I’m sure Brown figured in ’97 he’d be living in No. 10 by now.

By: JR

JR — Fri, 08 Sep 2006 22:20:43 +0000

No. 10 and No. 11 have been opened up into each other. Most of the combined building is office space. There are living quarters on the top floors – an apartment in No 10, and another one in No. 11. The apartment in No. 11 is bigger. Because Blair had children when he was elected and Brown was single, Blair and his family moved into the bigger apartment. But Blair’s offices are in No. 10 and Brown’s are in No. 11. Brown later got married and has 3 kids but he is still living in No. 10.

By: Armand

Armand — Fri, 08 Sep 2006 21:40:19 +0000

Well since people are talking about the address – does Brown actually live in 11 Downing Street? I seem to recall stories in the press after the election (1997) about how he was going to let the Blairs live there given the space needs of their family.

By: JR

JR — Fri, 08 Sep 2006 20:06:20 +0000

Gordon Brown is the son of a minister of the Church of Scotland, also known as “the Kirk.” This is a Presbyterian church. It does go back to Calvin, through John Knox. They are true Protestants, unlike the high church-low church mixture of the Church of England (they don’t have Episcopalians over there, they have Anglicans.)
And no, the street numbers are not odd on one side, even on the other. But that’s not the worst of it. They don’t have street signs. When they feel like it, they put a sign way up on the side of a building, but metal signs on poles on every corner? No chance. Doesn’t matter though, because the streets wind around and change their name every block or two, unless of course they end or split into three. Once I spent 45 minutes trying to go 6 blocks.

By: James Wimberley

James Wimberley — Fri, 08 Sep 2006 17:58:57 +0000

Read the Wikipedia article on 10 Downing Street and it’s a wonder the houses have numbers, let alone consecutive ones. The other side of the street is a side wall of the Foreign Office.
The Downing who built the shoddy houses was rather suitably a spy, turncoat and profiteer.
I agree that the current incident is meaningless outside Westminster. But Blair’s eventual departure won’t be.

By: calling all toasters

calling all toasters — Fri, 08 Sep 2006 17:42:30 +0000

Odd numbers and even are on the same side of the street? The English are very strange.
Also, how do we know Blair isn’t just delaying to ride out the resignations? A year on it won’t be in the news.