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	<title>Comments on: War crimes</title>
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	<description>Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not his own facts.</description>
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		<title>By: The Sundries Shack</title>
		<link>http://www.samefacts.com/2006/09/torture/war-crimes/comment-page-1/#comment-18114</link>
		<dc:creator>The Sundries Shack</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Sep 2006 14:12:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Bush Only Confessed to a Crime, if You Don&#8217;t Actually Read the Law. Or a Calendar.&lt;/strong&gt;

Mark Klieman must think that we&#8217;re all about as smart as a head of cauliflower. I say that based on his post wherein he contends that the President openly admitted to breaking the law.
He tries to get there with two separate arguments.
His first...
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Bush Only Confessed to a Crime, if You Don&#8217;t Actually Read the Law. Or a Calendar.</strong></p>
<p>Mark Klieman must think that we&#8217;re all about as smart as a head of cauliflower. I say that based on his post wherein he contends that the President openly admitted to breaking the law.<br />
He tries to get there with two separate arguments.<br />
His first&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Brian Boru</title>
		<link>http://www.samefacts.com/2006/09/torture/war-crimes/comment-page-1/#comment-18050</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian Boru</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Sep 2006 03:54:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Even Bush admits he hasn&#039;t kept us safe; safer, but not safe -- and there is absolutely no empirical evidence that  we&#039;re in fact safer.  Chertoff said just the other day that he can&#039;t afford to keep  us safe: rescinding a few tax cuts would solve that problem  in a hurry.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Even Bush admits he hasn&#8217;t kept us safe; safer, but not safe &#8212; and there is absolutely no empirical evidence that  we&#8217;re in fact safer.  Chertoff said just the other day that he can&#8217;t afford to keep  us safe: rescinding a few tax cuts would solve that problem  in a hurry.</p>
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		<title>By: Locutor</title>
		<link>http://www.samefacts.com/2006/09/torture/war-crimes/comment-page-1/#comment-18049</link>
		<dc:creator>Locutor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Sep 2006 16:22:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Steve,
so it&#039;s &quot;My country, right or wrong&quot; eh?
Well, luckily that line of thinking has never led to any bad results!  whew!!
BTW, how many foreigners, Arabs, and Muslims do you think we&#039;ll need to torture to be safe, anyways?  100?  12,000?  100,000?
Better order more 12 volt batteries--those terrorist testicles aren&#039;t going to zap themselves!
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Steve,<br />
so it&#8217;s &#8220;My country, right or wrong&#8221; eh?<br />
Well, luckily that line of thinking has never led to any bad results!  whew!!<br />
BTW, how many foreigners, Arabs, and Muslims do you think we&#8217;ll need to torture to be safe, anyways?  100?  12,000?  100,000?<br />
Better order more 12 volt batteries&#8211;those terrorist testicles aren&#8217;t going to zap themselves!</p>
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		<title>By: American Citizen</title>
		<link>http://www.samefacts.com/2006/09/torture/war-crimes/comment-page-1/#comment-18048</link>
		<dc:creator>American Citizen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Sep 2006 19:01:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If torture works, why haven&#039;t we caught Osama?
Who would have predicted five years later he&#039;s still be free?  I mean, the Japanese Empire and the Third Reich didn&#039;t last as long after we got involved.
It&#039;s clear these immoral techniques are failures, and we need to adopt moral tactics.  That should be America&#039;s strength.  The closer we stay to our strength, the better we do.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If torture works, why haven&#8217;t we caught Osama?<br />
Who would have predicted five years later he&#8217;s still be free?  I mean, the Japanese Empire and the Third Reich didn&#8217;t last as long after we got involved.<br />
It&#8217;s clear these immoral techniques are failures, and we need to adopt moral tactics.  That should be America&#8217;s strength.  The closer we stay to our strength, the better we do.</p>
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		<title>By: steve sturm</title>
		<link>http://www.samefacts.com/2006/09/torture/war-crimes/comment-page-1/#comment-18047</link>
		<dc:creator>steve sturm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Sep 2006 18:44:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Way to stay focused on what is important Mark.  You hear Bush and think of all the statutes you can think of.  I hear Bush and I say thanks for doing what was necessary to keep us safe.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Way to stay focused on what is important Mark.  You hear Bush and think of all the statutes you can think of.  I hear Bush and I say thanks for doing what was necessary to keep us safe.</p>
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		<title>By: Randy Paul</title>
		<link>http://www.samefacts.com/2006/09/torture/war-crimes/comment-page-1/#comment-18046</link>
		<dc:creator>Randy Paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Sep 2006 00:50:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When President Bush, VP Cheney, Rumsfeld, Gonzales and the others responsible for this policy would be well advised to limit their foreign travel after they leave office.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When President Bush, VP Cheney, Rumsfeld, Gonzales and the others responsible for this policy would be well advised to limit their foreign travel after they leave office.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://www.samefacts.com/2006/09/torture/war-crimes/comment-page-1/#comment-18045</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Sep 2006 05:10:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If they publicly admit to the secret prisons and torture, then win or steal the midterms, they&#039;ll claim to have been vindicated in the court of public opinion, and the pardons can flow like Jack Daniels.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If they publicly admit to the secret prisons and torture, then win or steal the midterms, they&#8217;ll claim to have been vindicated in the court of public opinion, and the pardons can flow like Jack Daniels.</p>
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		<title>By: Blissex</title>
		<link>http://www.samefacts.com/2006/09/torture/war-crimes/comment-page-1/#comment-18044</link>
		<dc:creator>Blissex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Sep 2006 17:55:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>«George W. Bush just virtually confessed to very serious crimes,»<br />
This is completely wrong; he boasted, not «confessed», about his actions.<br />
It seems that the calculation is the boasting will impress voters who think &#8221;security at any cost [to someone else]&#8221;.<br />
Can the the Democrats boast to voters that they have captured and tortured more brownskins than the Republicans?</p>
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		<title>By: Matt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Sep 2006 12:23:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s obvious, too, that prisoners in Guantanamo were attacking their guards with wepons.  Obvious in Dan&#039;s little mind, at least.  But I&#039;d want to insist again that anyone who thinks that all that&#039;s happening in these &quot;slap&quot; categories is slapping is too big of a fool to take seriously.  And of course the &quot;attention grab&quot; lead to serious injury on many occassions when it was one of the favorites of the Israelis in torturing Palestinians.  This isn&#039;t kid stuff.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s obvious, too, that prisoners in Guantanamo were attacking their guards with wepons.  Obvious in Dan&#8217;s little mind, at least.  But I&#8217;d want to insist again that anyone who thinks that all that&#8217;s happening in these &#8220;slap&#8221; categories is slapping is too big of a fool to take seriously.  And of course the &#8220;attention grab&#8221; lead to serious injury on many occassions when it was one of the favorites of the Israelis in torturing Palestinians.  This isn&#8217;t kid stuff.</p>
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		<title>By: Phoenician in a time of Romans</title>
		<link>http://www.samefacts.com/2006/09/torture/war-crimes/comment-page-1/#comment-18042</link>
		<dc:creator>Phoenician in a time of Romans</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Sep 2006 11:14:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Which part of &quot;within his custody or physical control&quot; do you have a problem understanding, Dan?
I also like the way you switch from &quot;Guantanamo prisoners&quot; to &quot;Al Qaeda terrorists&quot; like a good little wingnut.  The teeny tiny little problem that the US government has yet to successfully convict one single prisoner for terrorism just slides off your back, don&#039;t it?
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Which part of &#8220;within his custody or physical control&#8221; do you have a problem understanding, Dan?<br />
I also like the way you switch from &#8220;Guantanamo prisoners&#8221; to &#8220;Al Qaeda terrorists&#8221; like a good little wingnut.  The teeny tiny little problem that the US government has yet to successfully convict one single prisoner for terrorism just slides off your back, don&#8217;t it?</p>
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		<title>By: Dan Simon</title>
		<link>http://www.samefacts.com/2006/09/torture/war-crimes/comment-page-1/#comment-18041</link>
		<dc:creator>Dan Simon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Sep 2006 06:58:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just out of curiosity, if you consider &quot;violence to life and person&quot;, &quot;outrages upon personal dignity&quot; and &quot;degrading treatment&quot; to be war crimes under CA3 of the Geneva Convention, do you then support the creation of tribunals to try Guantanamo prisoners for war crimes, given their maltreatment of their guards?
After all, if beating, drenching with bodily fluids, and attacking with weapons are terrible crimes when perpetrated by American guards against Al Qaeda terrorists, then surely they&#039;re at least as terrible a list of crimes when perpetrated by Al Qaeda terrorists against American guards--right?
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just out of curiosity, if you consider &#8220;violence to life and person&#8221;, &#8220;outrages upon personal dignity&#8221; and &#8220;degrading treatment&#8221; to be war crimes under CA3 of the Geneva Convention, do you then support the creation of tribunals to try Guantanamo prisoners for war crimes, given their maltreatment of their guards?<br />
After all, if beating, drenching with bodily fluids, and attacking with weapons are terrible crimes when perpetrated by American guards against Al Qaeda terrorists, then surely they&#8217;re at least as terrible a list of crimes when perpetrated by Al Qaeda terrorists against American guards&#8211;right?</p>
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