Comments on: Not up to the Zhob

By: Anonymous

Anonymous — Fri, 18 Aug 2006 00:03:53 +0000

At the point where a larger (12 percent larger, in fact -http://www.quinnipiac.edu/x11362.xml?ReleaseID=948) group of CT voters (we’re not talking the average Alabama voter here) support Lieberman over Lamont, it�s hard to believe that “the Lamont win signals a weakening of the dominance of the Bush/Cheney/Rove narrative.” I know turnout was much higher than normal, but honestly, all the win definitively signals is that CT Dems liked Lamont over Lieberman (for a variety of reasons, likely including Lieberman’s announcing a possible independent candidacy).

By: CharleyCarp

CharleyCarp — Thu, 17 Aug 2006 03:53:35 +0000

Not Lamont, but Lebanon. Designed to remind people in the US and Europe that they’re the bad guys and we’re the good guys.

By: Swift Loris

Swift Loris — Thu, 17 Aug 2006 01:13:15 +0000

(whew)

By: Cranky Observer

Cranky Observer — Wed, 16 Aug 2006 19:12:11 +0000

> By “Radicals,” you mean the right-wing
> radicals, correct?
That is the only Radical Party I know of currently in operation in the United States
Cranky

By: Swift Loris

Swift Loris — Wed, 16 Aug 2006 18:23:41 +0000

By “Radicals,” you mean the right-wing radicals, correct?
Or were you referring to that well-known radical Lanny Davis trawling for meanspirited comments in his Wall Street Journal op-ed entitled “Liberal McCarthyism,” which attributes the blog comments he dug up to the liberal bloggers rather than their commenters?

By: Cranky Observer

Cranky Observer — Wed, 16 Aug 2006 16:51:35 +0000

> The argument should be judged by whether
> it makes sense, no?
Yes, which is why I would consider it a fairly major point actually. The Radicals are working very hard to attribute any posting or comment that they dislike or that can in any way be considered inflammatory on a group blog to some individual mastermind, thus allowing that person to be demonized and burned in straw-man attacks. So far this tactic seems to be very effective with the traditional media, and I expect the Radicals to keep using it throughout 2006.
So while I am sure it was a scrivner’s error on your part, I thought it important to correct the record. I imagine you would not want your personal writing attributed to Mark Kleiman just because it is posted on samefacts.com.
Cranky

By: James Wimberley

James Wimberley — Wed, 16 Aug 2006 16:43:36 +0000

Cranky: it’s a rococo nit for you to pick, but I’ve fixed it. Actually I try to cite my sources out of fairness not as an appeal to authority. If I’d said “Beloved Leader Kos” you would have more of a point. The argument should be judged by whether it makes sense, no?

By: Cranky Observer

Cranky Observer — Wed, 16 Aug 2006 16:19:57 +0000

Just a point: DailyKos is a semi-public large-group blog. If Markos himself makes a front-page post with a definitive statement, that /might/ be considered the “editorial direction” of DailyKos (which order for the blogsphere to to march in lockstep might be obeyed if there is no R in the name of the month – or might not), but no other person (even one of the current 5 with the privilage of placing their own diaries directly on the front page) can be considerered to “speak for” DailyKos. Since AFAIK Markos himself has not published an editorial on this topic, it is not correct to say “as DailyKos suggest[s]“.
Cranky

By: Swift Loris

Swift Loris — Wed, 16 Aug 2006 15:57:00 +0000

“The Republicans don’t really believe that ‘Lamont represents a movement within the Democratic party which is unpopular with the median voter.’”
Of course they don’t; they believe–correctly–exactly the opposite: it IS popular with the median voter. Therefore the antiwar stance must be conflated with U.S. vulnerability to terrorism and used against Democratic candidates nationally.
I wouldn’t be at all surprised if the administration had decided when the arrests were to take place the instant it appeared that Lieberman might lose the primary.

By: Sebastian Holsclaw

Sebastian Holsclaw — Wed, 16 Aug 2006 15:49:05 +0000

Good God, one of the most important lessons that defines the transformation into an adult is realizing that not every single thing that happens in the world is about you.

By: Swift Loris

Swift Loris — Wed, 16 Aug 2006 15:48:43 +0000

“The Republicans don’t really believe that ‘Lamont represents a movement within the Democratic party which is unpopular with the median voter.’”
Of course they don’t; they believe–correctly–exactly the opposite: it is popular with the median voter. Therefore the antiwar stance must be conflated with U.S. vulnerability to terrorism and used against Democratic candidates nationally.
I wouldn’t be at all surprised if the administration had decided when the arrests were to take place the instant it appeared that Lieberman might lose the primary.

By: Swift Loris

Swift Loris — Wed, 16 Aug 2006 15:37:09 +0000

“Terrorist plot engineered to stir up pro-war sentiment and help Lieberman” certainly doesn’t make sense, given that Lieberman had already lost by the time the arrests were announced.
What *does* make sense is: “Terrorist plot busted prematurely to reinforce Republican claim that Lamont’s win shows Democrats aren’t serious enough about national security.”
The timing of the arrests was perfect for that purpose, which is clearly the main thrust of the Republicans’ election strategy (seeing as how they ain’t got nuttin’ else to campaign on).

By: MisterC

MisterC — Wed, 16 Aug 2006 15:32:35 +0000

The Republicans don’t really believe that “Lamont represents a movement within the Democratic party which is unpopular with the median voter.” They’re saying so in an attempt to keep pols and the press marginalizing what is in fact a majority and growing consensus among Americans: invading Iraq was a great big mistake and a diversion from the “War on Terror.”
The Lamont win signals a weakening of the dominance of the Bush/Cheney/Rove narrative and its purpose: keeping people so afraid that they’ll only vote for supporters of the war in Iraq, illegal spying on Americans, expansion of executive powers, and so on.
The idea that the thugs in the White House forced an early arrest for political purposes is very believable on its face, IMO.

By: Jonathan

Jonathan — Wed, 16 Aug 2006 12:20:08 +0000

While I don’t doubt that the Bush administration blew this one early, I think the Lamont conspiracy theory is utterly implausible, because there is no motive. Lamont winning the primary isn’t a defeat for Republicans (if Lieberman wins the general as an Independent, it is a big gain for them) – it is a defeat for DLC Democrats.
If you believe (as the Rethug establishment clearly does) that Lamont represents a movement within the Democratic party which is unpopular with the median voter, then both Lamont’s win and continued media coverage of it are good for Republicans. So neither “terrorist plot engineered to stir up pro-war sentiment and help Lieberman” nor “terrorist plot engineered to blackout media coverage of the Lamont win” make sense.
There is a much simpler interpretation that is consistent with Bush behaviour – deciding when to bust a terror cell is a balance between “better safe than sorry” and the need to collect evidence for trial. Given that the Bush administration doesn’t believe in trials, and does believe that overestimating terrorist threats is a good thing, there is an entirely obvious reason for disagreement over timing.